Posted by: Boize | July 14, 2009

Economics to become Exalted

Lissanna of Restokin posted a blog post, about earning reputation for the Crusader title in order to fully utilise the new rewards available from the Argent Tournament in the upcoming 3.2 patch. I thoroughly encourage you to read her post, as it does have a lot of useful information about gaining reputation to become exalted champions with each faction.

I’m looking at it from a slightly different perspective, one that focuses more on the money involved with grinding a reputation. I posted this as a comment on Lissanna’s blog, but I wanted to flesh it out a bit more here.

The two main ways that you can pay in order to earn rep are:

  • Cloth Turn-ins (to the cloth quartermaster in every major city)
  • Champion’s Writs (as a reward from the Champions dailies in the Argent Tournament)

While you are not exactly “paying” for the Champion’s Writs, you are giving up the 10 gold which would otherwise be the reward. Thus, due to the opportunity cost involved, the Writs have a value of 10g each.

Note: This guide assumes that you are already a champion with each of your 5 faction-specific cities.

Runecloth:

The cloth quartermasters in each major city in will provide you with the quests for this, and they become available at level 50. Intially, you will have to hand in 3 stacks (60) runecloth, and will gain 350 reputation of the city you complete the quest in (i.e. if you hand in the quest in Orgrimmar, you will gain 350 reputation with Orgrimmar – this quest must be completed in all major cities to unlock the repeatable quest for each one). After this, you will then have a repeatable quest, which requires you to hand in one stack (20) runecloth, and will gain 75 reputation of the city you completed the quest in.

Now comes the valuation of runecloth, which will be measured in silver-per-rep (spr). Essentially, this is the value of one point of reputation. 1spr would mean that 1 point of reputation costs 1 silver, 0.5spr would mean that 1 point of repuation costs 50 copper, 200spr would mean that 1 point of repuation costs 2 gold, and so forth.

The spr of the runecloth quests will vary, depending on the prices of a stack of runecloth on your specific server. Using unknown values, where x is the cost (in silver) of one stack of runecloth:

  • The spr of the initial runecloth quest (non-repeatable) is: 3x/350 = y spr.
  • The spr of the repeatable runecloth quest is: x/75 = z spr.

Using the hypothetical of 2g for one stack of runecloth:

  • The spr of the intitial runecloth quest (non-repeatable) is: 600/350 = 1.71 spr
  • The spr of the repeatable runecloth quest is: 200/75 = 2.67 spr

Champion’s Writs:

These are obtained by completing the champions dailies in the Argent Tournament. The main difference between these and the runecloth quests is that using a champion’s writ to buy a “Commendation Badge of ___” (for the faction you want to gain rep with), will not only give rep to that faction, but also 1/4 of the rep will be granted to the other 4 factions as spillover rep. This means that you can gain up to 500 rep for each writ, assuming you are not exalted with any faction. However, the downside to the writs is that their spr increases for the more ‘home city’ factions you are exalted with, and you can only gain 4 a day. (Thus, if you are in a hurry, it may be best to use a combination of both the Champion’s Writs and runecloth turn-in quests.)

The spr of Champion’s Writs varies depending on the number of ‘home city’ factions you are exalted with. The spr values are:

  • Exalted with 0 factions – 2 spr
  • Exalted with 1 faction – 2.28 spr
  • Exalted with 2 factions – 2.67 spr
  • Exalted with 3 factions – 3.2 spr
  • Exalted with 4 factions – 4 spr

Comparisons:

The lower the spr, the less money you are paying to earn reputation, thus the cheaper it would be to get to exalted. When comparing the values, always go for the method with the lowest spr.

Comparing this the values of the Champion’s Writs to our hypothetical values from above for runecloth, we can see that it would be most economical to to the initial, non-repeatable runecloth quest for each faction, and then use Champion’s Writs, if you are exalted with one or no ‘home city’ factions. If you are exalted 2 ‘home city’ factions, you can choose either method, although the runecloth would be most desirable as you can do it more than 4 times a day. If you are exalted with 3 or more ‘home city’ factions, the most cost-effective way to gain reputation would be by handing in runecloth. (This is only for the hypothetical values posted above, you’ll need to work out the spr of runecloth on your own server to get data which applies to you.)

Hopefully this will help you to become exalted with all the 5 home city factions and get your Crusader and Ambassador titles in the most cost-effective manner.

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Responses

  1. Actually, I think you forgot a few things in your calculations. Until the patch, the valiant and champion dailies overlap. Kill 10 scourge, kill 15 scourge, for example. Becoming a crusader before the patch loses gold.

    Until the patch, the most cost effective method is to become a champion with the city with your highest rep, then do the valiant quests with your lowest rep, until you reach exalted or the patch arrives. Once exalted with that city, move on to the lowest city and grind until exalted, using the residual rep to move the other 3 higher. The valiant quests offer about 1k rep to the appropriate city a day, plus an additional 250 rep to other factions.

    So, the cost effectiveness of buying writs and runecloth is also determined by the current level of your reputations and the time to patch. If several of your reputations hover close to exalted already, there may be no need to lose the gold from the Champion’s purse. Doing the valiant’s quests on the lowest rep may be enough to push those to exalted, leaving runecloth turn ins on patch day, which can all be done at once, rather than a limit of 1k per day for the writs.

    • Ah, very true.
      Yes, my post does assume that you are a champion of every faction (if not exalted with a few), it does not take in to consideration that method.

      I’ll see if I can do a follow-up post soon, detailing that method and the pros and cons in comparison to the two that I posted here.

    • What Berry said. Plus, a normally levelled character, especially ones created after the start of BC, should be good into revered with each faction, the home faction nearly exalted at least.
      Runecloth might be worth it if you have lots of stacks lying around, and the AH prices are rather low, and/or to get the last few hundred points tonight instead of tomorrow, after the next set of Valiant dailies (instead, you can finish the “turn in 25 seals” quest for that city and move on to the next one)
      Champion’s Writs are, in my eyes, never worth it, well, at least since 3.1.2 and until 3.2 of course. The chance for the extra Champion’s Seal is, or was, a pretty large incentive to take double the time to reach Crusader, as you could only get 5 Champion’s Seals per day. Since they’ll be dropping of bosses even in normal-mode Trial of the Champion (5man) and the new Crusader-only dailies open up yet another income of seals, that logic is worthless. So it’s really just 10G vs. 25rep now (plus you might want to get Crusader fast, before the patch, if you didn’t start the Tournament quests until recently)

  2. There’s a definite gap in pre vs post gap economics as well. My druid alt will not be able to grind enough reputation using the AT alone to get to exalted with all 5 cities by the next patch unless it is more than 6 weeks away. She needs 24k rep for Silvermoon alone. (Post patch the dailies no longer overlap, so becoming a champion is more economically alluring.)

    Pre patch, as a champion with 1 faction, I can earn 13g*4, + 40g/4writs for champion quests; and 13g*4 +1k rep to the city and 250 rep to additional cities.

    Please do a follow up post. I look forward to reading your numbers. ;)

    Post patch I’ll be happily using your numbers to crunch at which way to top off my reputations.

  3. Also, if you have some free time, run any starting Zone quests you have not done. There is a ton of regular and spill over rep to be gained, it’s how I hit crusader.

    • Yep, if you go for Loremaster you’ll get a mountain of rep, I certainly hit exalted with all 5 cities without ever doing any repeatable runecloth turnins, or spending any Champion’s Writs.

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  5. I was looking at the same problem here

  6. I think someone missed something very important: You get full rep for doing lowbie quests

    The fastest, and cheapest way, to get rep is to do the lowbie quests you haven’t. My DK got exalted with SW and darnasus with about 2 nights worth of questing, and made a small amount of money (greens).

    • Yes, I am aware that doing lowbie quests is very good for earning reputation, I did so myself before the AT came out. This post just offers a alternative way to earn reputation.

  7. If you’re into Battlegrounds, loot dead enemies in Alterac Valley (best done during a turtle), and turn in their goods for rep across the board for your faction. I think I finally finished off my Gnome rep by turning in the orbs to the lady behind the DB North bunker.

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  10. The Lunar festival was pretty astounding in terms of rep levelling. Each elder you respected gave you home faction rep, that plus a few starting zones sorted me out. It’s a shame people have to wait another 7 months for the next one.

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  12. Sheesh it isn’t that difficult people.

    My DK, yes my DK, is exalted with all five of the home factions and it was not all that difficult. No cloth turn ins were used nor were any writs used.

    Becoming a champion for each city means that quite a bit of rep is generated for each city. If already exalted it carries over to other factions.

    So you are a champion and not exalted? Did you do that zones starting area quests? No? Did you know that they can generate 200 – 500 rep? Plus you are level 80 the zones are small when you have your Epic rider and can be done in an hour or two. If you have a chopper then be nice to some noob and take them on a tour.

  13. Good Morning! I saw the words “Economics to Become Exalted” and got all excited, thinking you were speaking of social economics! Walked into your room, realized this is a gaming reference and had to laugh because isn’t our society and the whole economic structure a big game anyway? Gamer who strews spiritual gifts on perspective, I thank You! :)

    Have a Great One!


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